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What is it? What does it have to do with us? With our spiritual efforts? These and other questions were presented to the Bone Spirits in
July’s
live mini Bone Throw on Transitions Radio Magazine.
Below is the transcript of this fascinating Bone Throwing
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Following is the transcript of the July 27, 2004 Bone Throw:
Backwards Turning Wheel
Alan: Okay, speaking of powerful, and all the symptoms of what are
presented not only in this movie, Fahrenheit 9/11, but just around the
globe. If you’ve got any sense of consciousness and being awake, you’re
realizing what’s shown on the nightly news as being representative of
the world is not the full story. And so, that in mind, we decided to do
a Bone Throw today with Kay Cordell Whitaker, who’s in the studio. Let
me say hello Kay before I get into the question.
Kay: Good morning.
Alan: For those of you who are new to the Bone Throw, it is not a
bone rolling, it’s a Bone Throw. But, you know, we had an interesting
comment on our www.transtalk.net
site about the Bone Throw. So if you want to read a listener comment, my
response, and of course Kay just found out about it and so we have to
get her response. But anyway, maybe you would just give us a
sixty-second thumbnail of what this really is and how you came about,
how many years of experience you have in actually doing this prophetic
way of receiving information from the spirit world.
Kay: I met my teachers in the 70’s, studied with them for over
thirteen years. That’s how long it takes to learn how to do the Bone
Throw, to be able to answer questions for others, to communicate with
the spirits while you are Throwing the Bones so you get a fuller
understanding of what is being said. It’s a “Calling of the Spirits
Ceremony.” The spirits come and they are very active when that bundle is
opened and the question’s asked and the Bones are all dropped. They see
to it that everything hits the floor on the ground [pattern] where it
should be in order to tell the right story.
Alan: And give the website, too, just in case somebody wants more
information. Of course you do individual readings one-on-one as well as
groups. What’s the website?
Kay: Worldbalance.com.
Alan: Worldbalance.com. So speaking of balance, your teachers, Domano
and Chea, spoke about the world being out of balance at the times they
were teaching you and communicating with you and they used the metaphor
of the “backwards turning wheel” as representing out of balance. We’d
like today to speak about this wheel. What it looks like right now. Must
it spin to a level of falling apart? What will that look like in our
global society over the next period of time? And what can we do as
individuals and small groups and alliances and communities who are
trying to foster some better way of living in the world and maintaining
center and balance in the midst of what could be very chaotic in the
upcoming times? And I’ll turn that over to you.
Kay: The metaphor has to do with the concept of our universe being
basically created from two different energies: one that creates and one
that takes apart. Yin-yang.
If we do something like create a culture out of just one of these
energies, which we have done with our current culture, we’ve created a
society based on the wheel that takes things apart, the energy that
takes things apart. And they call that counter-clockwise, the backwards
turning wheel. So our culture has been completely devised out of this
energy. And it has only one outcome. It’s inevitable. As that wheel
spins, it’s nature is to take things apart. It will disintegrate of it’s
own weight. It has to. It’s the nature of the universe. And we are
seeing it happen.
Through the last several hundred years, people have tried to pick up the
pieces as they fall apart and shove them back together to make what has
been. And it doesn’t fit. It’s not working. That wheel is hobbling along
down the road with little bits and pieces crumbling to dust so they can
no longer be picked up and put back together. It is truly falling apart.
Now as we look at it in the current moment, it’s difficult to see that
it’s falling apart. It still has a very strong grip in what happens in
the world today. But by twenty five years from now, it will be apart. It
will be fully disintegrated. The piece that represented the falling
apart of that backwards turning wheel is literally all the way off the
ground [the cloth pattern spread on the floor]. It’s off the image. It
is standing up on it’s end which is an impossibility for it. It is in
the position of being weak, apart, dying. And it is very accentuated
standing straight up on its end.
What it’s saying is, it looks today, the way we are headed today, the
kind of momentum we have built, it’s going to fall apart and it will be
dramatic. Just how dramatic depends on us. We have to create the culture
and society of the other energy. It isn’t going to just magically happen
to replace what died. We have to create it.
What this backwards turning wheel has created for us so far, it has
taught us how to be scattered, our attention just flying every which
way, dividing us. It teaches us how to judge. How to give our power
away. How to accept blind belief. No matter what it is just to accept
the belief blindly and live it out dogmatically, defend it. We are
taught to fear, to live in enormous fear and judgment of all things, all
people, everything. This judgment separates us. It keeps us asleep. It
keeps us numb, pacified. We’ve become addicted to it. And that’s the way
the society looks today.
There’s a very interesting piece in the dead center, the absolute dead
center, right in the current time, and that’s the lizard. The lizard is
one of the psychic pieces. It’s
about understanding things that are going on even though you can’t see
them directly. Psychic perception. And we as a race, as humans, have
this psychic perception naturally. It is waking up more and more. It’s
coming to the forefront. And no matter what the people of the backwards
turning wheel do, everyone else has got the lizard. They can see the
truth. More and more people are seeing it all the time. They’re starting
to wake up. The truth is coming out. It’s in our faces. It’s impossible
to deny.
What we need to do is to purposefully look for this truth, around us
and inside us. We need to gather our attention back up inside ourselves
to aim it purposefully. To wake up, get in our own driver’s seat. Wake
up and direct our attention. We need to focus our attention with
purpose. We have, as the Bones say, no “picture” yet of what this new
culture, this new world, is going to look like. We don’t have any
models. It’s something that has existed here a very, very, very long
time ago. But we’re not in touch with it, except on psychic levels. So
we have no current models. We need to build a picture, each one of us,
of what it is we think we want in this future. What is it supposed to
look like? How are people going to interact? What are the institutions
going to look like? What’s the educational system going to look like?
Our politics? What is a system of a positive turning wheel, the
frontwards turning wheel? What is it? What does it feel like? What does
it look like?
We need the picture and we must commit to it. The commitment piece is
upside down. We have not made a commitment to create this world and
that’s where the real danger sits. We need to make that picture. We need
to heal ourselves. And we need to commit to it. No back doors.
Alan: You know, I get that there are some pictures created out there
for this right-way turning wheel, okay? It’s just that everybody’s
ignoring the pictures. I mean, there are political candidates’ platforms
that have proposed a different way. Dennis Kucinich, for example, he’s
not going to get in. Even some of the Nader stuff, though he is a
potential detractor of Democratic votes. But these people have put forth
platforms of a different way.
Kay: There are many people putting out their first ideas, the first
thoughts of how to make this work, what is it going to look like. And
what the Bones are saying here is that we have a real definite tendency
to try to pick up the old pieces that we know, that are familiar from
that old backwards turning wheel, and put them together by themselves,
or maybe with something new, to try to build a new thing, a new world.
If we use anything from that backwards turning wheel, it’s going to turn
into a backwards turning wheel. It’s going to fail. And that’s the
warning. We have to create something absolutely brand new.
Alan: Are there any good news Bones down here on that cloth?
Kay: It’s happening. We are doing the very first steps. That’s just
where we’re at. It doesn’t mean we’re failing. It’s not a bad thing.
This is where we’re at. The beginning of the building of this frontwards
turning wheel, it’s starting right now. This is the bridge time, the
bridge between the two wheels. And we are the bridge people. We are the
ones who have to build the bridge. And we’re going to make mistakes.
We’re going to pick up some of those backwards turning pieces because we
don’t know anything different. But we need to start looking inside
ourselves to find the truth in ourselves, to see that connectedness with
all things and all beings. That’s where the picture lies.
Alan: Okay, so in terms of instruction to the individual because we
don’t have a picture of what falling apart’s going to look like. I don’t
know whether there’s one painted down there that you can speak of just
in terms of, you know, is there going to be stock market collapse?
Economic collapse? Are people going to, are we going to have natural
disasters? You know, are some of the prophecies like the Hopi prophecy
which says if you’re walking a two-hearted path, you’re going to suffer
greatly? Are any of those things in the Bone array predicable? Or is it,
we just don’t know? And what do we do even as we enter into more chaotic
times as individuals?
Kay: We don’t know exactly. We can say for sure that this wheel is
dying, it’s on its way out, the culture’s on its way out. And from a
bigger perspective, a cosmic level, humanity has made that decision to
end that wheel and begin the other one, to try this other experiment.
How we do it, how it comes about is kind of up for grabs right now. We
build our future. There are several pieces that lead up to the
twenty-five year mark where that falling-apart piece for the backwards
turning culture is. And then past that line, there’s nothing. We have a
blank slate. We can build anything we want. Anything.
Alan: And that twenty-five year period, Kay, is a little longer than
what we’ve heard from other traditions like the coming to the end of the
Mayan calendar in 2012, and a lot of the scientists saying there’s an
accelerating rapid pacing going on, we’re in a photon belt, the
gravity’s changing, the earth’s spin is changing, all these things
that are present on a physical level. But this twenty-five year period
is a little longer than other things we’ve heard.
Kay: It’s describing the complete collapse and disappearance. So
we’re going to see it leaving in different stages. In different leaps
and jumps. And exactly when those things happen, how they happen, that’s
up to us. It can be just as horrible and difficult as we believe it and
want it to be. Or it can be smooth and easy and beautiful.
Alan: I know we were going to talk about love as a Bone Throw
question or conversation point. Maybe we’ll do that next week. But it
seems to me one of the answers is no matter what goes on the best you
can do is stay in your heart, be compassionate, be loving for all those
things around you that seem to be more in pain and suffering.
Kay: Loving for yourself. We have to learn to love ourselves first. You
can’t love something or someone else if you do not love yourself. Loving
self and loving everything else.
Alan: Any closing thoughts?
Kay: It’s happening.
Alan: It’s happening. Okay.
Kay: It’s happening.
Alan: All right. You might want to stay off the wheel. Kind of reminds
me of that metaphor about the pendulum swinging back and forth wildly.
You don’t want to hang onto the bottom but be at the apex or the core
and just watch it happen. Thanks a lot. If you’d like a personal
reading, call 505.466.3387. And worldbalance.com is the website. And
we’ll see you next month, I guess.
Kay: Next month. Thanks.
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