What is it? What does it have to do with us? With our spiritual efforts?
These and other questions were presented to the Bone Spirits in
live mini Bone Throw on Transitions Radio Magazine.
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Following is the transcript of the July 27, 2004 Bone Throw:
Backwards Turning Wheel
Alan: Okay, speaking of powerful, and all the symptoms of what are
presented not only in this movie, Fahrenheit 9/11, but just around the
globe. If youíve got any sense of consciousness and being awake, youíre
realizing whatís shown on the nightly news as being representative of
the world is not the full story. And so, that in mind, we decided to do
a Bone Throw today with Kay Cordell Whitaker, whoís in the studio. Let
me say hello Kay before I get into the question.
Kay: Good morning.
Alan: For those of you who are new to the Bone Throw, it is not a
bone rolling, itís a Bone Throw. But, you know, we had an interesting
comment on our www.transtalk.net
site about the Bone Throw. So if you want to read a listener comment, my
response, and of course Kay just found out about it and so we have to
get her response. But anyway, maybe you would just give us a
sixty-second thumbnail of what this really is and how you came about,
how many years of experience you have in actually doing this prophetic
way of receiving information from the spirit world.
Kay: I met my teachers in the 70ís, studied with them for over
thirteen years. Thatís how long it takes to learn how to do the Bone
Throw, to be able to answer questions for others, to communicate with
the spirits while you are Throwing the Bones so you get a fuller
understanding of what is being said. Itís a ďCalling of the Spirits
Ceremony.Ē The spirits come and they are very active when that bundle is
opened and the questionís asked and the Bones are all dropped. They see
to it that everything hits the floor on the ground [pattern] where it
should be in order to tell the right story.
Alan: And give the website, too, just in case somebody wants more
information. Of course you do individual readings one-on-one as well as
groups. Whatís the website?
Alan: Worldbalance.com. So speaking of balance, your teachers, Domano
and Chea, spoke about the world being out of balance at the times they
were teaching you and communicating with you and they used the metaphor
of the ďbackwards turning wheelĒ as representing out of balance. Weíd
like today to speak about this wheel. What it looks like right now. Must
it spin to a level of falling apart? What will that look like in our
global society over the next period of time? And what can we do as
individuals and small groups and alliances and communities who are
trying to foster some better way of living in the world and maintaining
center and balance in the midst of what could be very chaotic in the
upcoming times? And Iíll turn that over to you.
Kay: The metaphor has to do with the concept of our universe being
basically created from two different energies: one that creates and one
that takes apart. Yin-yang.
If we do something like create a culture out of just one of these
energies, which we have done with our current culture, weíve created a
society based on the wheel that takes things apart, the energy that
takes things apart. And they call that counter-clockwise, the backwards
turning wheel. So our culture has been completely devised out of this
energy. And it has only one outcome. Itís inevitable. As that wheel
spins, itís nature is to take things apart. It will disintegrate of itís
own weight. It has to. Itís the nature of the universe. And we are
seeing it happen.
Through the last several hundred years, people have tried to pick up the
pieces as they fall apart and shove them back together to make what has
been. And it doesnít fit. Itís not working. That wheel is hobbling along
down the road with little bits and pieces crumbling to dust so they can
no longer be picked up and put back together. It is truly falling apart.
Now as we look at it in the current moment, itís difficult to see that
itís falling apart. It still has a very strong grip in what happens in
the world today. But by twenty five years from now, it will be apart. It
will be fully disintegrated. The piece that represented the falling
apart of that backwards turning wheel is literally all the way off the
ground [the cloth pattern spread on the floor]. Itís off the image. It
is standing up on itís end which is an impossibility for it. It is in
the position of being weak, apart, dying. And it is very accentuated
standing straight up on its end.
What itís saying is, it looks today, the way we are headed today, the
kind of momentum we have built, itís going to fall apart and it will be
dramatic. Just how dramatic depends on us. We have to create the culture
and society of the other energy. It isnít going to just magically happen
to replace what died. We have to create it.
What this backwards turning wheel has created for us so far, it has
taught us how to be scattered, our attention just flying every which
way, dividing us. It teaches us how to judge. How to give our power
away. How to accept blind belief. No matter what it is just to accept
the belief blindly and live it out dogmatically, defend it. We are
taught to fear, to live in enormous fear and judgment of all things, all
people, everything. This judgment separates us. It keeps us asleep. It
keeps us numb, pacified. Weíve become addicted to it. And thatís the way
the society looks today.
Thereís a very interesting piece in the dead center, the absolute dead
center, right in the current time, and thatís the lizard. The lizard is
one of the psychic pieces. Itís
about understanding things that are going on even though you canít see
them directly. Psychic perception. And we as a race, as humans, have
this psychic perception naturally. It is waking up more and more. Itís
coming to the forefront. And no matter what the people of the backwards
turning wheel do, everyone else has got the lizard. They can see the
truth. More and more people are seeing it all the time. Theyíre starting
to wake up. The truth is coming out. Itís in our faces. Itís impossible
What we need to do is to purposefully look for this truth, around us
and inside us. We need to gather our attention back up inside ourselves
to aim it purposefully. To wake up, get in our own driverís seat. Wake
up and direct our attention. We need to focus our attention with
purpose. We have, as the Bones say, no ďpictureĒ yet of what this new
culture, this new world, is going to look like. We donít have any
models. Itís something that has existed here a very, very, very long
time ago. But weíre not in touch with it, except on psychic levels. So
we have no current models. We need to build a picture, each one of us,
of what it is we think we want in this future. What is it supposed to
look like? How are people going to interact? What are the institutions
going to look like? Whatís the educational system going to look like?
Our politics? What is a system of a positive turning wheel, the
frontwards turning wheel? What is it? What does it feel like? What does
it look like?
We need the picture and we must commit to it. The commitment piece is
upside down. We have not made a commitment to create this world and
thatís where the real danger sits. We need to make that picture. We need
to heal ourselves. And we need to commit to it. No back doors.
Alan: You know, I get that there are some pictures created out there
for this right-way turning wheel, okay? Itís just that everybodyís
ignoring the pictures. I mean, there are political candidatesí platforms
that have proposed a different way. Dennis Kucinich, for example, heís
not going to get in. Even some of the Nader stuff, though he is a
potential detractor of Democratic votes. But these people have put forth
platforms of a different way.
Kay: There are many people putting out their first ideas, the first
thoughts of how to make this work, what is it going to look like. And
what the Bones are saying here is that we have a real definite tendency
to try to pick up the old pieces that we know, that are familiar from
that old backwards turning wheel, and put them together by themselves,
or maybe with something new, to try to build a new thing, a new world.
If we use anything from that backwards turning wheel, itís going to turn
into a backwards turning wheel. Itís going to fail. And thatís the
warning. We have to create something absolutely brand new.
Alan: Are there any good news Bones down here on that cloth?
Kay: Itís happening. We are doing the very first steps. Thatís just
where weíre at. It doesnít mean weíre failing. Itís not a bad thing.
This is where weíre at. The beginning of the building of this frontwards
turning wheel, itís starting right now. This is the bridge time, the
bridge between the two wheels. And we are the bridge people. We are the
ones who have to build the bridge. And weíre going to make mistakes.
Weíre going to pick up some of those backwards turning pieces because we
donít know anything different. But we need to start looking inside
ourselves to find the truth in ourselves, to see that connectedness with
all things and all beings. Thatís where the picture lies.
Alan: Okay, so in terms of instruction to the individual because we
donít have a picture of what falling apartís going to look like. I donít
know whether thereís one painted down there that you can speak of just
in terms of, you know, is there going to be stock market collapse?
Economic collapse? Are people going to, are we going to have natural
disasters? You know, are some of the prophecies like the Hopi prophecy
which says if youíre walking a two-hearted path, youíre going to suffer
greatly? Are any of those things in the Bone array predicable? Or is it,
we just donít know? And what do we do even as we enter into more chaotic
times as individuals?
Kay: We donít know exactly. We can say for sure that this wheel is
dying, itís on its way out, the cultureís on its way out. And from a
bigger perspective, a cosmic level, humanity has made that decision to
end that wheel and begin the other one, to try this other experiment.
How we do it, how it comes about is kind of up for grabs right now. We
build our future. There are several pieces that lead up to the
twenty-five year mark where that falling-apart piece for the backwards
turning culture is. And then past that line, thereís nothing. We have a
blank slate. We can build anything we want. Anything.
Alan: And that twenty-five year period, Kay, is a little longer than
what weíve heard from other traditions like the coming to the end of the
Mayan calendar in 2012, and a lot of the scientists saying thereís an
accelerating rapid pacing going on, weíre in a photon belt, the
gravityís changing, the earthís spin is changing, all these things
that are present on a physical level. But this twenty-five year period
is a little longer than other things weíve heard.
Kay: Itís describing the complete collapse and disappearance. So
weíre going to see it leaving in different stages. In different leaps
and jumps. And exactly when those things happen, how they happen, thatís
up to us. It can be just as horrible and difficult as we believe it and
want it to be. Or it can be smooth and easy and beautiful.
Alan: I know we were going to talk about love as a Bone Throw
question or conversation point. Maybe weíll do that next week. But it
seems to me one of the answers is no matter what goes on the best you
can do is stay in your heart, be compassionate, be loving for all those
things around you that seem to be more in pain and suffering.
Kay: Loving for yourself. We have to learn to love ourselves first. You
canít love something or someone else if you do not love yourself. Loving
self and loving everything else.
Alan: Any closing thoughts?
Kay: Itís happening.
Alan: Itís happening. Okay.
Kay: Itís happening.
Alan: All right. You might want to stay off the wheel. Kind of reminds
me of that metaphor about the pendulum swinging back and forth wildly.
You donít want to hang onto the bottom but be at the apex or the core
and just watch it happen. Thanks a lot. If youíd like a personal
reading, call 505.466.3387. And worldbalance.com is the website. And
weíll see you next month, I guess.
Kay: Next month. Thanks.
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