TRM Bones – Ego vs. Masks
Alan: It’s time now for our Bone Throw, which now
previews our Bonecasts. The next one is happening via phone conference
circle and online Webcast. At least two hours, maybe three hours, coming
up on Sunday, July the 9th. Mark that date down. And to
register and for info go to
With us in the studio, Kay Cordell Whitaker, who is
kind of behind the monitor, but I can see you a little bit; so this is
good. A new configuration here. Hi Kay.
Kay: Good morning.
Alan: So, in continuation in our series: 2012, A
White Knuckle Roller Coaster Ride? Where We Are Headed? We are doing a
little preview of what we are going to talk about on June the 4th
here on TRM. And Kay has Thrown the Bones which we have blown on and
this is a tradition that she has spent many, many years to learn from
her adopted grandparents, Domano and Chea Hetaka. So.
What Are The Aspects Of Ego?
That’s the primary question. How does ego compare
with or apply to masks, to Song, the Spirits and their teachings about
Song? Can you have a healthy ego and is ego the same as personality? How
does ego effect relationships with others and what will happen to our
individual and collective egos between now and 2012?
So, can you do that in three minutes? No, just
kidding. (laughing). That’s a lot of questions, I don’t know. I throw it
over to you.
Kay: The term “ego” is something that’s coming out
of our western culture’s psychological traditions and it’s coming out of
eastern culture from Buddhist and Hindu ways of thinking and the
question here is, does it relate to the term, masks, used by the Hetakas
Not exactly. There are some similarities; there are
By the term “masks”, this refers to all of the
blind beliefs, the programming, the socialization, that we have
collected, learned, our whole life. It’s taught to us from those who are
raising us, our parents, our family, the babysitters, the schools, our
whole society. They’re continually teaching us all of this programming,
this information, things we are supposed to be believing in and ways
we’re supposed to be.
Now, “ego” also carries a lot of blind beliefs, a
lot of this socialization, ideas, programming that has come from our
societies and the ideas that we kind of get buried in, we get stuck in
it and follow it blindly without realizing what we are doing.
Now the difference between these two basic
thoughts, “ego” tends to be something people think of as being part of
themselves, something that cannot be cut out and tossed away. It has to
be something that we learn how to control.
Whereas, the idea of “masks” is definitely not
something that is truly part of us; it’s just a bunch of beliefs, ideas,
and we let it control us. So the term “masks” by the Peruvian people,
the Hetakas, this is definitely something that we can extract from our
awareness, from our energy field, and cut ourselves loose and be free of
Now, the idea on both sides is that we get very
hypnotized, numbed out. We are in a kind of sleep by ego, by masks, and
this is really not a very healthy thing no matter whose tradition you
are looking from.
The Bones have to say here – we are going to talk
mostly in terms of the “masks” – what they are talking about is how we
are really buried in them, we are asleep, numbed out, we are in this
fog, we don’t see through the fog to see who and what we really are. We
don’t see the real world, we get totally identified with these masks, we
totally identify with the ego, and that’s not who and what we actually
And here, in terms of 2012, we are marching towards
the great era, the big 2012 and we are just clinging and dragging along
all of this garbage, all of the old, old socialization, all of the
programming, all these blindly accepted beliefs, and huge amounts of
baggage. We are not seeing what’s really going on; we are not seeing
what’s really going on within ourselves. And we have a dividing line
coming up here.
In about three years – 2012 is about six years away
from where we are right now – and half way down, about three years from
now, there is nothing there. The board is clear. The ground is just
empty up there. So we are doing a whole lot of thinking and being in the
ways that we always have been.
We are trying to do new things. We like to think
that we are doing “spiritual things”, and waking up. But what we have
been doing is dragging a whole lot of the old baggage with us, giving it
some new names and some new labels, coloring it up a little bit
differently, but we are still dragging the old paradigm. And there is a
great deal of judgment that we are dragging with us – huge amounts of
fear and stress, lots of blind beliefs. We are creating more and more
thoughtforms every minute that we live and they are all just like the
old ones, we haven’t done anything significantly different.
We are trying desperately to figure out what’s
ahead of us. What do we need to do? How can we heal ourselves? How can
we heal the Earth? How can we get better, how can we have a better
The only way that we are going to do that is if we
dump the junk and dream a new dream, a brand new dream that doesn’t have
any of the elements of the old with it, the old world, the old ways.
The only thing that’s sitting up at the three year
mark is the piece that defines our modern western culture and all the
more negative aspects of it, the aspects that keep us asleep, that keep
us buried in the middle of this programming.
So what we have created for ourselves is a whole
lot more of what we’ve already had.
We have the creative power: that’s who and what we
are as entities. We create our reality. We create what is in front of us
and if we want to see a new world, we are the one’s that are responsible
for it. We are the ones that are going to have to do this. And what we
have so far is a whole lot of where we have been.
At this three year mark the ground is empty. We
have a chance to write something, to make a picture, to dream a new
dream, to put something new in there. We’re not cursed for some reason
to carry this on past this three year mark – unless we are currently
choosing to do so.
We have to make those choices.
We are the one’s making those choices to either
wake up, get in our Song, our totality, the truth of our Beingness, the
heart-centeredness of our Song awareness. Or we can stay buried in all
the old, old stuff, the old programming masks, ego. Whatever label you
want to put on it, however you want to define that, that becomes
But it boils down to two things: we’ve got a whole
lot of programming and we’ve got the truth of our self. That’s all.
There’s the truth. And we can head in either direction.
Alan: Yah, you can describe it in many different
ways, but again the key here is, whether you call it mask or ego or
personality, there are elements that build around us, starting, I don’t
know maybe at birth or even before in some way, that genetics or who
knows what we carry, how we carry things, the mass culture.
So, just the thing about healthy ego, you know,
some people have charismatic personalities and they do really good
things and they are aware, maybe, or in their Song. Maybe they forget
when they engage their personality in a way where they immerse
themselves in it. What are the Spirits and the Bones saying about that?
Kay: The Spirits here are saying that there really
isn’t such a thing as a “healthy ego” or “healthy masks” or “healthy
asleepness”. We’re drowning, totally covered, totally blinded by this
programming and for some of us our programming is a little less severe,
some of us the programming is very destructive. But it all carries some
of the same elements where we are not really, totally, in charge.
WE ARE NOT IN OUR OWN DRIVER’S SEAT.
THE PROGRAMMING IS IN OUR DRIVER’S SEAT.
That’s the biggest thing that we have to change. If
we’re going to wake up out of the fog, out of the stupor, we have to get
back into our own driver’s seat.
This is a very unique time in our history. Before,
when we did a Bone Throw and we were asking about the years ahead and
what’s happening, where do we have ourselves headed, we always would see
this very intense pattern that was clearly laid out. It was so well set
it was hard to change the years ahead.
Right now we’ve come to this free place. We’ve got
a free zone hanging in front of us. We have a very big opportunity to
change things in a much more dramatic way than I think any of us are
Alan: Thinking about the Bonecast that we’ll do on
June 4th, one of the things that I think we can anticipate
and maybe ask another question is about how to unplug that ego or pull
off the mask. I want to go into that in some detail then when we do
that. Either in combination with an online Webcast or phone circle
again. You know you folks out there can check out
www.worldbalance.com to register. You have to register in advance.
The last part of this for today anyway is this
thing about tying into 2012 and the last part of our question was what
happens to our egos, either voluntarily or involuntarily between now and
then. Individual and collective ego, culture ego, country ego, you
Kay: The Spirits have said for quite some time that
this is a very unique period in our history – our future – this time
that we’re in. There are shifts, there are energy frequency shifts that
are happening in the planet, in the human total population, total human
consciousness. So whether we really want to or not, we are being nudged
in that direction. How far – that depends on us as individuals.
We are responsible for fully waking up or not, we
are responsible for the future that we build and we can build a real
disastrous future. It’s not like some magic wand is being waved and
we’re going to move into this great enlightened era and everything is
going to be nice, nice. It just doesn’t work that way. We still have
this possibility to totally poison or blow ourselves to smithereens
between now 2012.
Alan: Yah, I was thinking when you said “waking
up”. I think that’s the key. And this significant time that you talked
about and that the Spirit Nations have talked about, an unprecedented
different time in the history of the planet, the solar system, maybe the
galaxy. Even going back to the 80s when people were talking about the
harmonic convergence and the photon belt and all these astronomical
things that are going on and the key is to be as awake as possible as
all these things happen and if you are not aware that this is a profound
time I think the journey is more difficult for you and your ego.
Kay: Very definitely. Well, this whole issue of
what do you do, how do you wake up? In the Hetakas’ terms, how do you
find your Song? They use that word poetically, it’s not necessarily
something that you hear, it’s a poetic reference to the totality of who
and what we are, our total Beingness. And from their point of view we
are very, very vast and very, very ancient and we have a basic feeling
quality to our individual Spirit, our totality, that’s very joyful, very
happy. And when we tune into that feeling sensation and we feel it, we
“experience” it and we realize that that’s us, that’s who and what we
really are, that’s our own unique signature and it feels good and joyful
and happy and exciting – it changes everything. We begin to wake up when
we can touch that and experience it purposefully.
There is a whole ceremony that the Hetakas’ tribe
has. Everything that they do is based on this. The ceremony is called
Finding Your Song. We have a CD with that ceremony on it and we would
like to give a bunch of those CDs away today.
Alan: How nice. OK. Lets have people call
505-466-3387 to get in the cue for the Song CD.
Kay: And sign up for the newsletter. You can sign
up for the newsletter on the website or you can call in. If you call you
have to make sure to remember to leave your e-mail address in the phone
message so that we can actually get you on that newsletter list. It’s an
e-mail newsletter. Everyone who signs up we will send them a Song CD
Alan: So online,
www.worldbalance.com you sign up for the newsletter. You can also
sign up for the upcoming Bonecast, June the 4th . That’ll
happen at 1 pm, MDT, and it will be via phone and the internet (if
Helmut gets all the technical stuff together) which I know he will in
the next 30 days. It’ll be fun.
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